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Jan. 2nd, 2011 06:45 pm
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Belated well wishes to everyone for the various everythings-

Now that we're post explosions, shall we touch base with one another? I feel utterly out of touch. Like this year has started out of the gate like a horse with its tail on fire.

Perhaps it's all the new arrivals. Hello, little things! I hope all your questions have been answered. If they haven't perhaps I could give it a go, hm?

Date: 2011-01-04 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
That's just perspective. Just because the number becomes a smaller amount of the whole as you age, doesn't mean it goes by any faster.

Date: 2011-01-04 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
But perspective is our only connection with existence. The world cannot exist independent of it, not in any meaningful way.

Date: 2011-01-04 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
It only matters when it's testable. Self-delusions about time aren't interesting.

Date: 2011-01-04 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
Nonsense, doctor, you're the one who's discounting something. It's your responsibility to explain why you feel it has no bearing on your research.

Date: 2011-01-04 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
I only said that I had no interest in it. It doesn't influence me, and I have no reason to search it out.

Date: 2011-01-04 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
Of course it influences you!

Date: 2011-01-04 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
In every way possible. You live, you breathe, you exist in a social context.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
You've always seemed to imply that I ignore that sort of thing.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
No- that you don't understand it.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
It amounts to the same. There's no reason to pay attention to it.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
True. But you're a product of it, all the same.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
I choose my own 'values.'

Date: 2011-01-04 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
Thinking about it, weighing it, with the tools socialization has given you. Using language to understand and describe it.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
... Yes, I suppose I'm part of my own culture, but what difference does that make to anything?

Date: 2011-01-04 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
It means that you will never be able to escape seeing things through that lens.

Take the idea of opposites, for example.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
I'm aware of bias. It'd be careless to ignore it, but it doesn't mean I have to fall into other delusions-

What sort of opposites?

Date: 2011-01-04 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
I'm not talking about bias, I'm talking about basic tools of conceptualization.

We think of the world in terms of opposites. Man, woman. Day, night. Up, down. They're schemes by which we sort concepts, if you will. They're artificial- and ultimately quite restrictive, but they're a fundamental part of how people are taught to think.

The same could be true for time.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
Those aren't opposites. Points of direction have the closest possibility to be, but the others aren't even arguable.

You can have different ways of measuring time - and you'd need to, depending on the sort of planet you're on - but even if it's artificial, there's still a logical structure to it.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
I suppose that's true.

But it's still something superimposed. People exist in different ways at many different points, and we register time as being the transition between those points.

Before the universe was created, was there time? With nothing there to change.

Date: 2011-01-04 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] law-of-reason.livejournal.com
Everything around us exists at the same point we do. What we consider time passes on whether we're paying attention to it or not, whether it's marked or ignored.

A pointless question. Of course there was time.

Date: 2011-01-04 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
I'm not sure it's that simple.

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