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What an exciting week!

In light of all the discussion, Adstringendum, let's chat- who would you trust to nominate as ombudsman?

Date: 2011-09-12 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
But see, your assertions were about humans. Lucifer is one of yours, and his tantrums have nothing to do with the effectiveness of an ombudsman. If they reflect on anyone, it isn't me, Raphael.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:28 pm (UTC)
expunger: (illustrious in your gifts)
From: [personal profile] expunger
[Something shatters and crumbles violently off screen, but her expression doesn't crack. His friendship with Lucifer is the only thing saving him.]

Your attempts at redirecting this conversation are transparent. Do not evade the issue: Adstringendum is murderously chaotic at what humans would call the drop of a hat. Your own friend caused the deaths of many on nothing more than a whim.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
[Break's eyebrows arch.]

I still believe that the cost of imposing this sort of order outweigh the benefits, in a world where death is impermanent. Having been tortured and attacked a time or two myself here, it's my right to speak up on the matter.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:40 pm (UTC)
expunger: (consoler of the afflicted)
From: [personal profile] expunger
[So much irritation and desire to smite. But she listens, however impatiently. She pauses, and a shadow passes fleetingly over her face.] The impermanence of death does not outweigh the threat of permanent harm.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
Oh, yes it does. I've been blind, I've had my lungs all but rot out of my body, I've had my internal organs involuntarily replaced, and I would still do it all again rather than settle into order.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:48 pm (UTC)
expunger: (the victim of disease)
From: [personal profile] expunger
Order is peace. [You idiot.] In peace there is safety. Unless you actively seek to endanger the people of this city.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
Order is strangulation. Peace is death. Danger is human.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:52 pm (UTC)
expunger: (guide to those)
From: [personal profile] expunger
Then write a philosophy book and allow the normal humans their veneer of security. Government is just as human; I could show you evolutionary proof of such.

Date: 2011-09-12 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
I'm not disrupting the police force entirely.

[He could.]

I'm just insisting they remain... liberal minded. Slightly permissive. Aware of the cultural melange in which they're operating.

Date: 2011-09-12 09:01 pm (UTC)
expunger: (miserére nobis;)
From: [personal profile] expunger
Where permissiveness allows an inch, monsters will take a mile.

Date: 2011-09-12 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
Monsters? That's a little harsh, we're talking about angels.

Date: 2011-09-12 11:09 pm (UTC)
expunger: (súscipe deprecatiónem nostram.)
From: [personal profile] expunger
[Yes, we are.] For a given definition of "angel."

[Meaning Lucifer and herself. Moving right along.]

Or any other powerful being with the means to destroy.

Date: 2011-09-12 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
You honestly believe more police control will stop these little bouts of hysteria we seem to go through?

is this okay sob

Date: 2011-09-12 11:21 pm (UTC)
expunger: (great prince)
From: [personal profile] expunger
[The PCD goes dead with a crackle the moment she appears behind him.]

Madara was stopped through organized force. Had we been organized before he stepped up, he would have come to justice much sooner.

of course! yay!

Date: 2011-09-12 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
[Starting. He's in Katara's kitchen, at the table. But he moves to put the kettle on... and leaves the PCD recording at the table, just in case.]

Congratulations. How precisely has he been 'brought to justice?'

how bout this? i'm on aim if you need meee

Date: 2011-09-12 11:30 pm (UTC)
expunger: (Dómine Fili Unigénite)
From: [personal profile] expunger
[She reaches up with a hand and the PCD shuts off in a shower of sparks.]

Beaten down and sealed away to prevent further attack.

Date: 2011-09-12 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
And if the police force decides they need to do that to Lucifer? To Michael or Gabriel?

Date: 2011-09-13 12:06 am (UTC)
expunger: (Angel of Health!)
From: [personal profile] expunger
For Lucifer? [Her expression hardens further, if possible.] So be it.

Michael or Gabriel would not need it. I can't think of any possible scenario in which they would, unless under the influence of an event.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
Really? You can't begin to imagine it? Them disregarding the life of some human? You deciding it's necessary, and this place turning on you.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:19 am (UTC)
expunger: (St. Raphael)
From: [personal profile] expunger
Michael is too intelligent, and Gabriel too sentimental.

I am not interested in your immature authority issues, Break. The chaos in this city is not working. Only a fool would deny it. [She sounds almost vaguely disappointed- she does not think him a fool, or she didn't. She doesn't really know. Everything is varying degrees of irritation and hate.]

Date: 2011-09-13 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
The funny thing is, I think a police force would be beneficial. I just don't trust the way it's being done.

[A mild shrug.]

I think you should also be concerned that we've seen it tried nearly a half dozen times, each one a failure.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:31 am (UTC)
expunger: (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
From: [personal profile] expunger
It has to happen some how. Would you prefer the usual way? Through war and bloody conquest?

Date: 2011-09-13 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
With an ombudsmen and a charter.

[He shrugs.]

Or we'll get that war after all.

Date: 2011-09-13 01:52 am (UTC)
expunger: (Fílius Patris)
From: [personal profile] expunger
You mean you will start it.

Date: 2011-09-13 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-hatter.livejournal.com
No. I'll just irritate you all until one of you slips up and kills me, and this powder keg goes off.

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